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This notes page: om.rs/aesnotes Our zoom call short link: om.rs/zoomaes
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To Address Next Meeting
- Going through SQL vs DataFrame based queries in Spark
- Decide which way people prefer for indicator implementation (and other feedback)
Meeting Notes
2021-004-15: Squad Call
https://iu.mediaspace.kaltura.com/media/t/1_80xjwir1
Attendees: Debbie, Bashir, Daniel, David, Burke, Ian, Jen, Allan, Natalie, Tendo, aparna, Mike S, Naman, Mozzy
Welcome from PIH: Natalie, Debbie, David, Mike
- M&E team get a spreadsheet emailed from Jet.
- Issues with de-duplicating patients.
- Datawarehouse created for Malawi being redone.
- Recent projects have taken different approach - M&E teams analyze the KPI requirements, adn then design the SQL tables they'd want, then they do an ETL table to have exactly what they'd want for PEPFAR reporting and MCH reporting.
- Past approach was too complicated; didn't promote data use.
Details of past situation
- Previously you'd go into OMRS and you'd export and download an Excel spreadsheet. Exports started to be more and more wrong. Wrong concept, or new concepts added that weren't reflected in exports; people lost trust. To see how things were calculated was very opaque.
- 7 health facilities into one DB; another 7 into another DB; then the 2 DBs merged together in reporting (which is done on the production server of one of those sets b/c there's not a 3rd server, but a new one is being set up for reporting.)
- They were hoping to set up on Jet but seems proprietary, expensive, and old; starting hosting clinical data in this 2 yrs ago. Started pulling in raw (or flattened?) tables - patient tables, enrollment tables. Pull those into the Jet DW
- COVID started and they also weren't able to travel to sites to do training on Jet.
- Switched back to Pentaho & MySQL - used before, open source. Hired 2 new people on Malawi team who were comfortable with that tool and could build their own warehouse in there.
- Main need: 1 table per form. So however concepts organized into a form, needs to make sense as a table unit. Each form - 1 table.
- Would like to add things like enrollment, statuses.
- Why? Forms = intuitive unit; indicator calc usually like obs at last visit,
- 80% Doesn't usually require cross-visit info
- KEMR similar - created a table to automate 1 tbl per form
- Previous tables were extremely wide because it was all the questions we'd ever asked. Would cut that up into multiple tables.
- PowerBI dashboards will be connected to these 1-form tables.
- Volume: Malawi: 50,000pts, a few million obs. Haiti: 500,000-1m, 10's millions of encounters, x4-5 for obs.
- Time: 5-10 mins to run. But in some other servers it's longer and a barrier, e.g. over an hour and increasing by the day - so that's why they're moving away from full DB flattening to one that's more targeted based on what data you're looking for.
- Ultimate Goal: Anything that makes it easier, esp. for local M&E people, to get their hands on the data and make the reports, is great. Easier access, and automation that reduces the workload of local M&E.
Overview:
- Targeting Ampath, because: 10's of clinics supported in a central DB. Has a complicated ETL system that doesn't scale very well, complex so few people understand it, and where the data came from is too opaque to instill sense of trust; want to replace it. M&E team needs flattened data. Want to flatten data into analytical tables that can be converted into tables like excel that they can run their own reports on.
- next, want to try supporting someone who is distributed, and then centralize the data.
- Design goals:
- Easy to use on a single machine/laptop. Whole system can be run on signle machine.
- ETL part: 2 modes of operations, batch mode and streaming mode.
- Reporting part:
Questions
- if you have any other questions for what might be useful for an M&E/Analytics person please email me at nprice@pih.org
- What are the best ways forward for PIH to try this and apply to some of their mor challenging use cases? E.g. local M&E teams not showing analytics of things happening over time
- Follow up to figure out how to create the FHIR resources...
2021-04-01: Squad Call
Attendees: Bashir, Moses, Tendo, Burke, Daniel Ian
Regrets: Allan, JJ, Grace P, Cliff
- Bashir: working on date-based filtering, as a way to get data only for "active" patients within a date range (e.g., all data for "active" patients within the past year)
- Given a list of resources and a date range, we pull all dated resources within the date range
- For all pulled resources that refer to a patient, we pull all data for each patient
- Moses: working on a blocker, inability to pull person and patient resources for the same individual in the same run (#144)
- Tendo: working on implementing media resource, working through complex handler
- Cliff (in absentia) working on running system via docker command
- Skipping meeting next week due to OpenMRS 2021 Spring ShowCase
2021-03-25: Squad Call
Attendees: Bashir, Allan, Cliff, Daniel, Ian, JJ, Allan, Ivan N, Willa, Grace P
Recording: https://iu.mediaspace.kaltura.com/media/t/1_msvydoso
Summary:
1. Decision: New design for date-based fetching in the batch pipeline, based on active period (for each patient "active" in care, all the resources will be extracted). We defined an "active" period (the last year), and break down the fetch into 2 parts: (1) any obs from the last year, then (2) for each patient with a history in the active period, all of their history will be downloaded. Why: Avoids search query time-out problems.
2. Later: Add ability to retrospectively extract resources back in time (re-run pipleline for any time period) in order to update your datawarehouse.
Updates:
- Bashir: Close to fix for memory issue; working on date-based
- Allan: Trying to finalize orchestration of indicator calculation. Implementing using docker & docker compose. Streaming mode.
- Antony (regrets): Working on list of indicators that need baseline data.
- Cliff: Streaming mode script. Refactoring in batch mode.
- Mike: Experimenting with approach, more updates next week.
Current plan for implementing date-based fetching: Getting the data when you need it, not all at once.
- Implemented on FHIR search base path. 2 modes for batch: pipeline JDVC mode, and FHIR search base.
- First step allows qualifying "I need last year"
- List of pts who've had >=1 obs in last year
- Second download, we download all of the resources going back.
- This will avoid the search query time-out problem we ran into in past. Idea is to download small batches in parallel.
Concern raised by JJ:
Approach needs to be able to handle queries that involve all patients, and need to be able to prove findings (i.e. can't simply use an aggregate deduction model, because you can't show "here are the exact patients" if someone needs to confirm your numbers are correct).
2021-03-18: Squad Call
Attendees: Bashir, Allan, Mike Seaton, Grace P, Christina, Burke, Cliff, Daniel, Ian, Ivan N
Recording: https://iu.mediaspace.kaltura.com/media/t/1_qj4xzv9t
Summary: What do we do with big databases with batch mode (where it's not feasible to download everything as FHIR resources or it will take a very long time)?
Two approaches came out to address the above problem:
1. First approach is limit by date (last week's discussion focused on this)
2. Second approach is to limit by patient cohort (focused on this today; idea is you'd limit queries based on patient instead of based on date, e.g. "Fetch everything for a cohort of patients") → We think this will be a better approach to try out moving forward.
Updates:
- PIH looking for Analytics Solutions, Mike's reviewed ReadMe, interested in trying out. Next: ______
- Bashir: Decision to do date-based separation of parquet files. Planning to go back to the FHIR-based search approach.
- Google contrib Omar: another 20%er from Google who is contributing PRs. Added JDBC mode to E2E tests.
- Google contrib William: still doing ReadMe changes/refactoring and move dev-related things under the doc directory.
- Allan: Instead of using distributed mode, use local mode.
- Cliff: Looking at datawarehousing, & issue of fhir resources in DW.
- Mozzy: Bug fixes so it can be used w/ Bahmni.
Discussion of Challenges:
FHIR structure isn't causing delays, but the conversion of resources into FHIR structure is slowing things down. TODO: Ian to look into improvements that could be made in FHIR module.
2021-03-11: Squad Call
Attendees: Bashir, Antony, Daniel, Grace, Allan, Moses, Tendo, Ojwang, Ken, Jen
Recording: https://iu.mediaspace.kaltura.com/media/t/1_lskh65vm
Summary: Discussed memory problems & performance in Ampath example. Direction we're taking for Ampath: To divide DW based on date dimension. For most of the resources, we don't generate for the whole time, just the last 1-2 yrs. Then we need to support special set of codes, where we generate the obs just for those codes. The set of those obs is much smaller.
- Work Update
- Bashir: Code reviews & investigation of memory issue. Added JSON feature into pipeline since it was helpful w/ debugging.
- Allan: Working to dockerize streaming mode, how to register indicator generation.
- Suggestion from Bashir: Adding more indicator calculation logic would be great.
- Moses: Upcoming PR w/ bug fixes
- Sending too many requests: had been looking at moving to using POST but fetching 100 resources at a time takes a few seconds, and can flood MySQL and OMRS, so doesn't see much value in fetching 1000's resources at a time on a local machine. 90 resources was actually faster.
- 2 other new contributors:
- Engineers at Google can spend 20% time on other projects. Posted some projects a few weeks ago related to this squad.
- Omar working on adding JDBC mode to batch end-to-end test
- William working on documentation fixes; trying to keep README user-centric rather than dev-centric. Anything dev-centric goes to separate files.
- Engineers at Google can spend 20% time on other projects. Posted some projects a few weeks ago related to this squad.
- Memory Issue with fetching encounter resources at AMPATH
- Compile list of IDs to be fetched; send 100-resource-request at a time to OMRS; convert those into Avro, and write into a parquet file. So because there is no shuffle anywhere, should continuously work regardless of the size of DB, and the memory requirement shouldn't increase.
- Investigated:
2021-03-04: Squad Call
Recording: https://iu.mediaspace.kaltura.com/media/t/1_yyg2els7
Attendees: Allan, Bashir, Moses, Antony, Cliff, Daniel, Ian, Jen, Ken, Sri Maurya, Steven Wanyee
Updates
- Bashir:
- Coverage reports added to repo.
- Bug identifying, & fix is out (not generating parquet; adding a flag to set number of shards)
- Fetching initial id list: Realized this isn't being slowed down by FHIR search or JDVC mode. Turns out it was the generation of Parquet - causing order of magnitude slower.
- Beam: Distributed pipeline environment. It's deciding how many segments for the output file to generate. Seems like an issue with Beam, Bashir to report to Beam.
- More Google people expected to start contributing eventually - up to 20 people
- Allan
- Moses
- Antony to follow up with Bashir and Moses to setup on machine & to join Tuesday check-ins
- Apparently there has been some testing of CQL against large data sets with Spark
- Intro from Maurya Kummamuru: Extracting OMRS data w FHIR to perform CQL queries against it. Demo coming at FHIR squad next week Tuesday.
2021-02-25: Squad Call
Recording: https://iu.mediaspace.kaltura.com/media/t/1_fa0o9440
Updates: Substantial bug fixing needed for Ampath pipeline pilot; 2.5hrs for table with 800,000 patients too slow.
2021-02-18: Squad call
Recording: https://iu.mediaspace.kaltura.com/media/t/1_m0rqigrl
Attendees: Burke, Tendo, Ian, Bashir, Amos Laboso, Cliff, Daniel, Jen, Grace, Allan, Mozzy, Sharif
Updates: Focus atm is on preparing for Ampath pipeline pilot release.
2021-01-28: Squad call
Recording: https://iu.mediaspace.kaltura.com/media/1_glpg4zts
2021-01-21: Data Simulation Engine demo, Random Trended Lab Data Generation demo, and How to Use Spark demo
Recording: https://iu.mediaspace.kaltura.com/media/1_q8wr0m9h
Attendees: Burke, Bashir, Antony, Cliff, Daniel, Ian, Jacinta, JJ, Juliet, Justin Tansuwan, Piotr, Steven Wanyee, Grace
- Data Simulation Engine: Ian demo
- Engine that generates random patients and random VL values for them. E.g. simulation that runs for a time range of 5 years, to show people coming in and getting lab tests over the course of 5 years of visits:
- Built using data like LTFU, % of pts with a suppressed VL
- Steps through every simulated day and outputs a file
- Generating Random Lab Data: Grace/JJ demo
- Colab Notebook: https://colab.research.google.com/drive/1EMiAkbhW7TzEVlFRfUGFPIpBSgZ6GmSX#scrollTo=Uk-W16jgSf-f 5 min Demo Video: https://www.loom.com/share/ed62dc728e46401894a5cdc57ef28bd3
- Running through the Notebook generates and POSTs random, bounded, trended lab data over time. Example demo'd: Posting 40 Viral Loads
- How to Use Spark: Bashir demo
- Goal is to provide APIs over time to get base representations of the data that's being stored in FHIR for now. Bashir trying to show how this can flatten and remove the complexity of FHIR from what the person needs to understand to run the query.
- Changing stratification and time period could take minutes to an hour. E.g. when a PEPFAR Indicator requirement
2021-01-14
Attendees: ?
Top Key Points
- Discussed the question of whether to use SQL or Python to develop indicator logic and decided to use Python.
- Discussed how Spark deployment will be done and decided to focus on the local version (with many cores) for the time being.
2021-01-07
Attendees: Reuben, Ian, Burke, Kaweesi, Cliff, Jen, Allan, Bashir, Patric Prado, Kenneth Ochieng, Grace Potma
Top 3 Key Points
- Our Highest Priority Q1 Milestone: To continuously be running beside the current indicator calculation AMPATH is using, and to show they generate the same indicators
- Other Pressing Milestone: A second implementer - esp. one with multiple sites who want to generate analytics by merging them.
Notes:
- Updates: Bashir now moved from Google Cloud team to Google Health. Opens opportunity for him to continue contributing to OMRS for a few more quarters. OMRS has been given $5k in AWS credits; however, Google Cloud could have ~$20k available if we need it. Question is not "what to do with those credits" but "what do we need".
- E2E test progress: 1 component to each that hasn't been merged. First was test for being able to spin up a container - done.
should eventually support multiple modes (e.g., Parquet vs FHIR store, batch vs streaming); we can add them gradually.the last component to e2e
- Large data set: Ian working on simulator for this (takes time to work w/ realistic data!)
- 2021 Q1 Goals
- Main Goal (Highest Priority): To continuously be running beside the current indicator calculation AMPATH is using, and to show they generate the same indicators. Next steps: Implementing those 10 reference indicators.
- Other Goal: A second implementer - esp. one with multiple sites who want to generate analytics by merging them.
- Who to reach out to: PIH, Bahmni (JSS), Jembi, ITECH (iSantePlus in every hospital in Haiti - Piotr has been involved in analytics work b/c they're looking to aggregate data into one store)
- Value Prop: If you have multiple deployments and find that managing indicators takes repeated headaches to maintain - this is for you. You can get your indicators with little maintenance, and it should work at scale. If you have many sites, many patients, many obs, this is fast, will enable interactive queries that don't impact your production system performance. The beta is early so your feedback and your org's needs will allow the squad to ensure what we're building is applicable to your use case.
- Key points from 2020 Retrospective: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1f0VFO0eucWZYpIDOtm8smcCNWdW_7YjdhBWS7bdfTJ8/edit#slide=id.gb1d91779dd_0_733
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2020-12-18: Squad Call: Retrospective, Summary of What We Accomplished in 2021, and What We're Doing NextRecording: https://iu.mediaspace.kaltura.com/media/1_8xg6i7yd Summary: Thank you, everyone, for making some of this squad's objectives a success. We have made quite a significant milestone and hope to see great results come 2021. For those who could not join our last 2020 meeting, take a look at the retrospective and roadmap. Feel free to add to the list or upvote any item. Also here is the slide containing a summary of the retro and the accomplishments so far: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1f0VFO0eucWZYpIDOtm8smcCNWdW_7YjdhBWS7bdfTJ8/edit?usp=sharing 2020-12-10: Squad CallRecording: https://iu.mediaspace.kaltura.com/media/1_4sqok6f1 Updates
Topics
2020-11-24: StandupRecording: https://iu.mediaspace.kaltura.com/media/1_oj89pvy1 2020-11-19: Squad CallAttendees: Bashir, Burke, Jen, Allan, Ayesh, Daniel, Ian, JJ, Jorge, Kenneth, Joseph, Sharif, Steven, Suruchi Recording: https://iu.mediaspace.kaltura.com/media/1_ksxewulx 2020-11-17: StandupRecording: https://iu.mediaspace.kaltura.com/media/1_yb0q1jsq 2020-11-12: Spark & Parquet prototype demo, and how to query them to generate indicator dataAttendees: Bashir, Ayesh, Brandon, Cliff, Daniel, Ian, Jacinta, Jen, JJ, Kenneth, Allan, Grace, Joseph, Mozzy, Piotr, Sharif, Steven, Vlad Shioshvili
2020-11-10: StandupRecording: https://iu.mediaspace.kaltura.com/media/1_km9wjf5z 2020-11-05: Squad callhttps://iu.mediaspace.kaltura.com/media/1_xwiwud01 2020-11-03: StandupRecording: https://iu.mediaspace.kaltura.com/media/1_52jeny9e 2020-10-27: Standuphttps://iu.mediaspace.kaltura.com/media/1_jm4887sf 2020-10-22:Recording: https://iu.mediaspace.kaltura.com/media/1_0f2p04pj Attendees: Allan, Bashir, Burke, Grace, JJ, Suruchi, Daniel, Ian, Jacinta, Jorge Quiepo Welcome to Suruchi, sr dev from NepalEHR with interest in implementing analytics engine at their implementation, and new OpenMRS PM/Dev Fellow. Reminder: Squad Showcase next week Dev updates:
2020-10-15:Attendees: Bashir, Grace, Cliff, Daniel, Ian, Jacinta, Juliet, Allan, Mozzy, Piotr, Sharif, Vlad, Jen, JJ Recording: https://iu.mediaspace.kaltura.com/media/1_h7p70dss Dev. updates:
Addition of 2 new devs to team
MVP Progress
What's the next step for getting from FHIR to indicators?
Ampath example: SQL scripts generate report values. E.g. How many patients are on ARV: Take QID 123 and QID 345. So - is it fair to assume that almost everything else but the concepts is the same? This is why Vlad's mapping tool is of great interest. Users need to be able to back up through the logic to show the result can be trusted. How do we represent those SQL case statements? Can add logic into your FHIR module. E.g. my unified viral load concept Ian investigated how TX_PVLS was calculated in 3 different implementations. All 3 were using slightly different definitions, even when using the exact same concepts. Some stored as obs, some stored as orders. How PLIR/Notice D work is Different
Who's doing what next?
2020-10-08: Presentation of Analytics Engine approach and work so far & FHIR backgroundRecording: https://iu.mediaspace.kaltura.com/media/1_4ievjc2p Attendees: Allan, Bashir, Burke, Ashtosh Padhy, Cliff, Daniel, Kenneth, Michael Gehron, Vlad Shioshivili, Ivan N, Piotr, Suruchi, Tendo, Ian, Juliet, Moses, Sharif Overview presentation of the Analytics Engine Squad's work so far, & discussion with Michael & Vlad from PEPFAR PLM team.
PEPFAR logic changes happen so frequently, so the PLM work is aiming to include a logic model that they (PEPFAR?) would keep up to date so implementers could just reference that, and not have to each go through the massive work of logic updates. 2020-09-24Present: Vlad Shioshvili, ALlan, Bashir, Christina, Daniel, Burke, Ian, Ken O, Michael Gehron, Tracy, Grace, JJ, Jen Recording: (PEPFAR PLM demo starts 14 minutes in) https://iu.mediaspace.kaltura.com/media/Analytics+Engine+Squad/1_4759yb4v Agenda:
@Vladimer Shioshvili continued the presentation on PEPFAR's Patient-Level Monitoring for M&E Proof of Concept as well as gave a live demo. Slides: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1t9astN7NboSycFax0vNgZxVJ2Tc6OJF3_3HJaJGGAIM/edit
Working with IntraHealth on integrating the openclient registry to reconcile the patients across different point of service applications. So when they receive messages from multiple systems, want to make sure one person is indeed counted as one person. A lot of times, false positive LTFUs happen because of a transfer of a patient to another system, that didn't get captured as one patient moving. Looking to use CQL instead of custom agreggations they have written right now. Should be able to share Repos within a couple of weeks. Next Steps:
2020-09-17Agenda:
2020-09-10Present: Allan, Bashir, Burke, Daniel, Debbie Munson, Ian, Jen, JJ, Juliet, Mozzy, Sharif, Tracy, Grace Recording: https://iu.mediaspace.kaltura.com/media/1_gkdr9uvr
2020-09-04Recording: https://iu.mediaspace.kaltura.com/media/Analytics+Engine+Squad/1_iw9pijl5
2020-08-28Recording: https://iu.mediaspace.kaltura.com/media/1_zo38ckft
Action: Make the call before or by next call about data store and general structure/approach. allan kimaina & Burke Mamlin owning follow-up. 2020-08-21Recording: https://iu.mediaspace.kaltura.com/media/1_rxkt7fss Attendees: allan kimaina , Bashir Sadjad , Burke Mamlin , Ian Bacher , Jennifer Antilla , Juliet Wamalwa , Kenneth Ochieng, Piotr Mankowski , Tracy, Grace Potma
2020-08-14Attendees: Antony, Burke, Allan, Bashir, Christina, Daniel, Debbie Munson, Jayasanka, Jen, Juliet, Tracy Recording: https://iu.mediaspace.kaltura.com/media/Analytics+Engine+Squad/1_7yw4tayq
2020-08-07
2020-07-31: First Squad Call
2020-07-30: Focused discussion on PIH's ETL workAttendees: allan kimaina Bashir Sadjad Ian Bacher Grace Potma Mike Seaton Mark Goodrich
2020-07-16: Identify considerations for squad successAttendees: allan kimaina Bashir Sadjad Ian Bacher Jennifer Antilla Grace Potma
DONE: Grace post announcement on Talk w/ Doodle; Grace combine requirements into Requirements page. |